Here is a good question for the Mods here.


If Chitown is being promoted and a friendly \ family place to chat.

Then why allow some of the racy avitars?
Avitars in womens bras -- un-HOOKING them and such is not a family thing for kids
and younger generations to be viewing here IMO.

I understand it is on the TV with commercials.

I base this on what is stated as here being a family place and to watch the foul language and arguing.
It all falls in the same catagory right?

Sorry if I am stepping on toes or upset anyone here by this but it is my obsevation that I am expressing here.

Brian

Bio, I kinda agree with you, it's borderline, but kids on computers these days can type in (i.e. www.any porno thing you want to typehere.com) if they want and see it all. It's a parental control thing. My company rules for inappropriate computer usage state that nuidity constitutes the point where it shouldn't be at work. This forum isn't a workplace, and the Avatars are generally (my .02) innocent. While some are very provocative pix (Slim) they don't show anything indecent or lewd.

Well if you think it is bordeline then IMO would be to not allow it.
I see it as if it is okay now and as the board grows it will become an issue.
So why not prevent it from being an issue.
It is best to not allow borderline topics, graphics, sexual content and whatever may apply.
At the same time make it known in the TOS when we sign on for new accounts.

Yeah kids can type that stuff in but if we all take an approach that way then we are not doing our job as parents to make more attempts to keep it from them. So why should we give them more places to find crap like that also.
This place is RC related right.
So if it is RC related then what are women avitar pics have to do with RC stuff.
Same would go for the username as well I would think.

Really IMO---I do find it offensive especially when it comes to a place that claims it is a family place.
With that in mind---it should not be here.
I find it shows what kind of person you may be---sorry it is a bit of stereotyping but we all do that.
I have my daughter who is getting into this hobby and doing more on-line things daily.
Because of stuff like this I would not want her to show up here.
It is tastless for this kind of forum.

I express this because of my own experience with being a Moderator and a lurking one on another.
When the forum grows things really get out of control and ppl get bent over the changes.
Some I agree with and others I do not.

Agian I apologize if I upset anybody by this.

edit: Bio, sorry. After looking at your first post again I realized you asked this to the Mods. I never should have posted. To late to take it back. I will stay out of it from here.
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Bio, my opinion is just that, only my opinion. I am not a Mod here.
Each of us has to make choices about what is right for ourselves.
If this RC site is too open or too risque for your family values, then you have to decide if it is worth the information you can get from it. You as a visitor decide if this is a site you wish to visit. It is not broadcast into your home like WGN. If it is not what you are seeking, you will decide if it is a site you care to continue to frequent. If the owners and moderators agree, there would be changes made. I guess we'll see which way this subject goes.
PS: I am not really trying to argue, so if anything I type "sounds" arguementative, it's not meant to be that harsh.

No I hear you and I understand. A discussion on this does not hurt. It is informative really.

I am not looking to argue also.
I too am expressing my thoughts on this just as you are.
I also know you are not a Mod here as I see from the left side panel.
LOL on the edit comment...but it got your attention didn't it!

I dunno with me being new to the boards I figured I would ask away all sorts of stuff and I do feel like I am over stepping things a bit being new here---I gotta feel it out since things are not addressed totally in the TOS.

Basically what I am at here if it is family place and it is stated as so then it should be presented and kept as so.
If the statment is not accurate then it either needs to be held up or completley removed.
and if removed then no mention on this board being a family place.
Just hitting the family terminology that is used here.
If removing the Family potrayal then why even bother with saying profanity is not welcome.

One thing for sure---images in young eyes are impressionable(what are we telling our kids and family with images)----words can be forgotten but what we see is not forgotten so easily. It is imprinted in our minds.

Well This being my forum to moderate, I will chime in here. Tune if I say anything incorrect please correct me, and I am also sure he will chime in here.

Tune is the owner of this site and he has stated before that if he finds something inappropriate he will remove it or tell the owner to remove it. As far as I know this has not been done yet. As stated there is nothing inappropriate IMO of any of the avatars, there is no nudity and no worse than on tv or in any of the rc mags. Most of the mags have ads with half naked chicks and x treme rc rates hop up according to hot chicks. If there was a nude photo or something explicit I would agree.

This forum is growing and we are trying to keep it hassle free, but at the same time we are mostly adults on here. Tune and the mods want this to be a fun place and talk RC and other things in the lounge, we don't want it to be come sterile and no fun.

So if you find something inappropriate please Pm a mod or Mr Tune and he/we will look at it and take appropriate action.

IMO opinion your first post should have been a PM to Tune, would have been a better way to address this, since it is only directed to the mods only.

This was taken from the please read me thread in the general RC thread.

Glade you can chim in.

I understand about PM'ing but at the same time I was looking to see if anybody else had the same thoughts on it.

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"This forum is growing and we are trying to keep it hassle free, but at the same time we are mostly adults on here. Tune and the mods want this to be a fun place and talk RC and other things in the lounge, we don't want it to be come sterile and no fun."

I can understand this totally. When a forum grows steady or rapidly this is alomst unavoidable which is why I also mention to really look at the TOS more closely and attempt to cover areas before hand and not when it is too late.
Now with what you stated about most being adults----what about the rest that are not.
That is what you have to look at more so really. That small percentageof who are not adults.
Now your avitar is fine and we see ppl like that whereever we go. But there is another one that IMO is borderline and if that is okay then why not all of us have avitars with women in lingeie.
I guess another way to see where I am going is that I am attempting to be proactive.

If this gets to heated I can understand this thread being removed.

As far as the TOS goes that is something that Tune has to talk about. I just wanted to address this before he got to look at it and it gets out of hand.

In your last post you said "I understand about PM'ing but at the same time I was looking to see if anybody else had the same thoughts on it."

But in your first post you stated a question for the Mods. To me a question to the mods on a TOS question or something that should be addressed and handled in PM's.

Whos avatar is it that you find the most offensive ? You can PM you opinion on it to me or one of the other mods if you dont feel ike answering on the forum.

A couple weeks back, things did get out of hand and the owner and some of the mods are trying hard to get a baselins of rules set here on the board. While the majority of the users on this board are adults. I do understand your point and try to put myself in your position. Being that you have a daugther that is looking into getting into this hobby and I can see how avatars of women can be offensive.

Give Mr.Tune some time to work out all the bugs and I'm we'll all be happy in the end.



Rich.

Hello biodragen,

I appreciate your feedback and would like to offer some more information for you. If I had to give a rating to how I would like to see the site, it would be PG-13. To me that means, if it's allowed on network tv, it should be allowed here. Some of the avatars here that may be considered boarderline or racy, are no worse than what's on tv. Take a look at victoria secret commercials. I consider that more racy than what we have here. Written stuff should follow the same rules and images too. You'll hear things like 'ass' on tv, but you'll never hear 'f**k'. I feel that it is a fair policy, and our growth in the past few months show to me that it works great.

One thing to remember, decisions on this board are not final. Ultimately this a member supported board. Without them this site wouldn't be here. Members will, in the end, dictate many of the decisions. If there is a demand for it, it can happen.

A side note of kids reading the board. I know if I were a parent and my <inster young age here> year old want to surf the net, I guarantee he/she wouldn't on it unnattended. This is strickly my opinion and don't want to offend or pass judgement to anyone.

Regards,
John 'Mr. Tune' Dimitropoulos
ChitownRC Owner and Operator

This is a very good forum, run and populated by conscience people. I have seen alot worse elsewhere. These guys do a good job moderating this place. Everything nowadays is borderline in someones mind making it difficult to run the gamut when it comes to opinions. I have children, one of them is old enough to visit this forum (although he doesnt, cause he is not allowed to post in forums yet). I have strict rules regarding what my kids can do online. I have electronic parental controls as well as my own mind as a parental control and thats where it starts and should start for any parent. With this in mind as parents (some of us) I believe anything inappropriate will be nipped in the bud before it becomes outta hand here. This is everybodys job, not just the mods and admins. I appreciate your candor and respect your opinion. But if a child comes here and their parents believe that the avatars are not to be viewed by them then their job is to control that ability to view this site, if they do this then they have done their job.

John, and others

Thank you for replying.
The last thing I want to do is make wave and upset ppl and get things heated.
I understand about what you say with PG-13 and television.
With that in mind My wife and I watch what our daughter views on television and the net.
She already had a run in with a pervert and we had a talking about it. She is learning as we go along with all this stuff.

Now if I point one out and with this topic in the open---then that person knows where it came from. So the best would be to remove this thread to find out or just look around.

cemeb4dk Avitar is fine and I would consider that the line to be drawn but getting more revealing and less clothing than that does not make it more "FAMILY".

I can gauruntee you this will come up again and again---I am willing to bet on it and it is a sure bet. With that in mind you will have a problem creap up faster than you realize.
Only then you will have to do something more drastic and then it gets heated with more person updet.
So really you are borderline on what is "FAMILY"
Family is more holesome term I would think but what we watch on the TV there are "FAMILY" stations that do not allow commercials like that as well.
So it is the term being used loosly here that this is a family place.

The stand I take on this is being the parent here.
You have avitars that are offensive IMO---my child will not be here. If you don't allow the revealing atire then she will make her self known. Sorry did not want that to sound threatening cuz it is not.

In time I know you will work on the TOS and it will not be easy I know.
It is your board and I know you will run it as you see fit.

I just wanted to bring something to the table....yes I guess I could have split this up between the general public and the Moderators as it is pointed out---thank you for making me realize this portion and I will be more appropriatly directed next time if there is a next time.

So far I do like this forum, I do not see really any issues than just what I mention with avitars.
I would love for my daughter to be here and learn some things but I will have to not allow it at this time. Some of it may be above her for sure but I am sure she can find someone to chat with here closer to her age. It would be nice to leaver her a little unattended here but I don't thinks so at the moment.

Again I am kewl and not upset just cautious when it comes to what my kid sees.