Bruce thanks for that... I think i knew what you meant without the sarcasm. I still dont think sharp barbed ends would be a bright idea... What if one was to get pulled out by someone who keeps riding the pipes.. ... Do you think that a sharpned rusty arrowhead would be a good idea?

I do agree that maybe if they were longer they would stay in better but thats up to the man....

... Besides... i thought there wasnt going to be pipes outside, just grass infields???