Koz I didm't even think to call you. My bad. I drifted last night and tonight with between 2 and 4 other cars. Twas awesome. I care about my tires too much right now to do it dry. When I get my snow tires/rims I may, but I doubt it. When I get my nice tires for my 17" wheels next summer there will definitely be no more drifting/burnouts...