Hahahaha!!! I always broke more stuff at the track than bashing. The savages are definitely a basher but I am not a fan of how everything is sandwiched between the 2 plates. I know it makes for a strong chassis design, but I'm not a fan for some reason. I have a couple tickets in Joe's next raffle so if I lose that I will start looking to buy. Right now the 8T does look nice since there is the RTR that I didn't know about. I loved racing truggy and they are plenty durable for bashing. I have no problem going with the LST either since I am not above racing MT class. Haha