thye were really good man, it is pretty ruff at jtec where i tested at yesterday and the bumps didnt phase the buggy at all, going thru the rutted out corners was alot easier and i could get on the gas alot sooner and not worry about catching a rut and rolling over, the car lands more plush and doesnt bottom out nearly as much as before, on the truggy they were good also, jumped and landed better, and if ya land not quite right it seems to recover itself alot better and not get out of control from slapping the rear on over shooting jumps, costly yes, but IMO worth every penny. soon as i get the pics uploaded i will posty them.