Oh and Rob..... thanks for confirming what I have been saying. LoL I think HotBodies was going for a very hard part that wouldn't have a lot of play for racing. On the other hand it is VERY brittle. The Kyosho ones have some give to them but I had a decent crash that I was ready to walk off of the drivers stand to fix a carrier for..... and it didn't break. They are TONS stronger. I was watching Rob crash and flip his truggy wishing that the LSP was that tough. LoL